17 Relocation with my minor child to Italy, Rome (Consent and Refusal) – Advocate Muhammad Abduroaf The world is becoming a much smaller place, and technology plays a huge role. People are moving across the world for employment, love and happiness, something that was not the norm a few decades ago. There is no reason why you should remain in South Africa if you can find a better life for yourself and your family overseas. Moving overseas may provide you with the quality of life you want or the possibility of experiencing things you always wanted. The same applies to your child or children relocating with you. Relocation of your minor child to Rome, Italy If you are single and do not have any minor children, then moving around the world would not be too complicated. All you need to do is ensure that you have the necessary travel documentation and travel ticket (and spending money), and off you go. However, if you want to travel with your minor children (for example, ages one or two) or relocate to another country, things may not be that simple. Firstly, if there is another parent, and he or she has parental responsibilities and rights, then his or her consent is required. For example, let us say you live in Carletonville or Pietermaritzburg, South Africa, and you want to relocate to Rome, Italy, you would require the other parent’s consent to leave South Africa with your minor child. This can cause challenges, especially if the staying parent (in South Africa) does not agree to the relocation. What about Passport Consent to travel or relocate to Rome, Italy? The same applies when it comes to your minor child applying for a South African passport to relocate to Italy, or any country. Both parents who have parental responsibilities and rights of guardianship will have to consent to the minor child’s passport application as well. In this regard, both parents have to be at the Department of Home Affairs (or the relevant bank that also assists with passport application) when making the Application with the minor child. This can be challenging if you have a disinterested parent who does not want to cooperate with the passport application. As you will see later, legal action would need to be taken. What are the steps to follow when I want to relocate to Rome, Italy with my minor child? There is there another parent. To simplify the process for relocation, the first step would be to receive the other parent’s consent in principle for the relocation and that he or she will co-operate in this regard. Once that has been resolved, the parent relocating would need to make the appointment for the minor child’s passport application as well as the application for the relevant VISA. Each country has different requirements; however, seeing that it is a relocation, you need to apply for the correct VISA. For that, you need the Passport. Once the visa and travel arrangements have been finalised, the parent remaining behind will sign a parental consent letter for the international travel. That letter can be found on the Department of Home Affairs website. Basically, the parent remaining behind would state that he or she gives consent for the minor child to leave the Republic of South Africa and travel and/or relocate to Rome, Italy. What can I do if the other parent does not want to consent to the minor child’s relocation to Rome, Italy? If the parent remaining in South Africa does not want to consent to the minor child’s passport application and/or his or her relocation to Rome, Italy, then you would need to approach the Court. The Court, as upper guardian of the minor child, may order that the parent’s consent for the passport application and relocation be dispensed with. What this entails is submitting Court documents explaining why you want to relocate to Rome, Italy. The other parent would also have an opportunity to give reasons why he or she objects. At the end of the process, the Court would determine what is in the minor child’s best interests. If it is in the minor child’s best interests to relocate to Rome, Italy, the Court would make it possible despite the issue of consent or refusal. What is the first step I should take if the other parent does not want to consent to the minor child’s passport application and/or relocation to Rome, Italy? If the other parent does not want to consent to the passport application and/or the relocation of the minor child to Rome, Italy – in that case, we suggest you approach an attorney or advocate (trust account) to assist you with the legal process. He or she would then contact the other parent explaining the reasons for the relocation and request the necessary consent. If the parent remaining in South Africa does still not agree to the passport application and/or to the relocation to Rome, Italy, then the attorney or advocate will proceed to take the matter to court. The legal route can be expensive. However, it is necessary to make the relocation of the minor child possible. You may also attend to the legal process yourself. Getting legal assistance or help with your relocation application to Rome, Italy If you require legal assistance or representation with relocating to Rome, Italy due to the other parent not cooperating or providing consent, then feel free to contact us for assistance. The Firm Advocate, Muhammad Abduroaf, deals with these types of matters.

17 Relocation with my minor child to Italy, Rome (Consent and Refusal) – Advocate Muhammad Abduroaf
The world is becoming a much smaller place, and technology plays a huge role. People are moving across the world for employment, love and happiness, something that was not the norm a few decades ago. There is no reason why you should remain in South Africa if you can find a better life for yourself and your family overseas. Moving overseas may provide you with the quality of life you want or the possibility of experiencing things you always wanted. The same applies to your child or children relocating with you.
Relocation of your minor child to Rome, Italy
If you are single and do not have any minor children, then moving around the world would not be too complicated. All you need to do is ensure that you have the necessary travel documentation and travel ticket (and spending money), and off you go. However, if you want to travel with your minor children (for example, ages one or two) or relocate to another country, things may not be that simple. Firstly, if there is another parent, and he or she has parental responsibilities and rights, then his or her consent is required. For example, let us say you live in Carletonville or Pietermaritzburg, South Africa, and you want to relocate to Rome, Italy, you would require the other parent’s consent to leave South Africa with your minor child. This can cause challenges, especially if the staying parent (in South Africa) does not agree to the relocation.
What about Passport Consent to travel or relocate to Rome, Italy?
The same applies when it comes to your minor child applying for a South African passport to relocate to Italy, or any country. Both parents who have parental responsibilities and rights of guardianship will have to consent to the minor child’s passport application as well. In this regard, both parents have to be at the Department of Home Affairs (or the relevant bank that also assists with passport application) when making the Application with the minor child. This can be challenging if you have a disinterested parent who does not want to cooperate with the passport application. As you will see later, legal action would need to be taken.
What are the steps to follow when I want to relocate to Rome, Italy with my minor child? There is there another parent.
To simplify the process for relocation, the first step would be to receive the other parent’s consent in principle for the relocation and that he or she will co-operate in this regard. Once that has been resolved, the parent relocating would need to make the appointment for the minor child’s passport application as well as the application for the relevant VISA. Each country has different requirements; however, seeing that it is a relocation, you need to apply for the correct VISA. For that, you need the Passport.
Once the visa and travel arrangements have been finalised, the parent remaining behind will sign a parental consent letter for the international travel. That letter can be found on the Department of Home Affairs website. Basically, the parent remaining behind would state that he or she gives consent for the minor child to leave the Republic of South Africa and travel and/or relocate to Rome, Italy.
What can I do if the other parent does not want to consent to the minor child’s relocation to Rome, Italy?
If the parent remaining in South Africa does not want to consent to the minor child’s passport application and/or his or her relocation to Rome, Italy, then you would need to approach the Court. The Court, as upper guardian of the minor child, may order that the parent’s consent for the passport application and relocation be dispensed with. What this entails is submitting Court documents explaining why you want to relocate to Rome, Italy. The other parent would also have an opportunity to give reasons why he or she objects.
At the end of the process, the Court would determine what is in the minor child’s best interests. If it is in the minor child’s best interests to relocate to Rome, Italy, the Court would make it possible despite the issue of consent or refusal.
What is the first step I should take if the other parent does not want to consent to the minor child’s passport application and/or relocation to Rome, Italy?
If the other parent does not want to consent to the passport application and/or the relocation of the minor child to Rome, Italy – in that case, we suggest you approach an attorney or advocate (trust account) to assist you with the legal process. He or she would then contact the other parent explaining the reasons for the relocation and request the necessary consent. If the parent remaining in South Africa does still not agree to the passport application and/or to the relocation to Rome, Italy, then the attorney or advocate will proceed to take the matter to court. The legal route can be expensive. However, it is necessary to make the relocation of the minor child possible. You may also attend to the legal process yourself.
Getting legal assistance or help with your relocation application to Rome, Italy
If you require legal assistance or representation with relocating to Rome, Italy due to the other parent not cooperating or providing consent, then feel free to contact us for assistance. The Firm Advocate, Muhammad Abduroaf, deals with these types of matters.

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[embed]https://youtu.be/6OFqAsq8HUE[/embed] Questions posed when registering on www.ourlawyer.co.za/live   Question 1: Gauteng

What is the procedure to dispute child maintenance because I am not happy with the maintenance officer’s ruling I want to take the matter back to court for formal enquiry in front of the magistrate?

I have 3 minor kids aged 118 & 6. I have a bond paying 6000 – the officer said I can’t claim for accommodation which I was not happy with because we are not staying for free. Grocery of R3200 electricity R900 municipal water rates and taxes R1200. Domestic Worker 2500 school fees R3030 school transport R1800 medical aid 3060 uniform clothes twice a year. Stationery. House maintenance household expenditure. I want to dispute the order because the officer was baised. The officer told me that I can’t claim for accommodation because its my bond so it’s my problem. The officer said the domestic Worker work at my house. Worst part none of our documents were scrutinised. I felt so frustrated angry and helpless. The officer decided that the father will pay for school fees school transport stationery school uniform and clothes twice a year. I am still doing more and I am earning way less that the father. Atleast is the matter can be taken back for formal enquiry so that they can look at our income expenses and then child’s need. The office took out lots of things from my claim. Accommodation electricity water and rates grocery domestic Worker medical aid and all other expenses household and house maintenance are on me. I want court to re look at this. Please advise me frustrated mother. Question 2: Gauteng My maintenance file spans from December 2010 when I opened a case against my ex-husband at the Randburg Magistrates Court. It is a long involved saga. We tried subeponas a couple of garnishees section 31 section 10 an attachment orderand still he just avoids pays what he feels like if he feels like moves jobs works as a consultant tries to hide his businesses and who he is working with and for. The case started in Randburg then transfered to Pietermaritzburg when we moved there and now is back at the Randburg Courts. I have finally managed to trace his details but feel so despondent because it feels like we are going to just continue in the fight and it will be fruitless. I have 3 children who have suffered through this and I am needing to ask if there is any hope. He is a smooth talker and manages to smooth talk his way through court proceedings even when he doesnt bring his financials. I suspect too that his life partner is also behind hiding financials as she is a financial accountant and has been on scene since the beginning. Not sure where to turn to or how to begin again. Question 3: Gauteng Am i entitled to claim back maintenance? Question 4: KwaZulu-Natal I do not require legal advice. I want to attend the session as I intend to proceed with pupillage in the near future and this is one of the facets that I have a keen interest in. I would like the opportunity to attend this session to gain more knowledge on the topic and to understand how to handle problems of this nature. Question 5: Gauteng I have twin girls turning 15 this Month. their Father had been paying R2500 maintenance for the last 3 years and 1 school fees and helps with School clothes for 1 child – he is supposed to buy them clothing for when he has them for holidays which hasn’t been done over 2 years – I barely can afford to buy them clothing and this holiday I am sending them to him with no much clothing so he is forced to buy for them while they there. He was supposed to get the girls a medical aid which never happened. They have it now because my Job gave that to me as a perk (which I am very grateful for) . My Salary without his maintenance after debt and deductions is only +/- R5000 which I have to buy food/electricity/fuel for my car/pay School Fees. I have asked him to increase it and I am not asking for a ridiculous amount of money but he hasn’t budged. The girls have needs and I feel he needs to play a bigger financial roll then he is. He is married with 2 other children. Beginning of this year he started working overseas. He comes back for 3 Months and goes back. I want to know if he isn’t in the country could his wife be summoned to court on behalf of him? Thank you. Question 6: Gauteng I have a maintenance case we attend our first date than he said I need DNA to make sure that the kids yours DNA date  was on 26 of October 2021 I go to court when I drive I found this guy send doctor letter he said I tested positive for COVID 19 but he come to sign our ob book Maintenance court is gonna help me  

Zoom webinar during Woman’s Month hosted by Advocate Muhammad Abdurof – Child Custody and Relocation

Below the video are some of the questions posed by the registrants that were not answered during the webinar held on 21 August 2020 at 11:00, hosted by Advocate Muhammad Abduroaf. Q: The father has only been paying half the maintenance – he was only covering the minor schooling. Now he has decided to study full time and stopped paying the minor school fees. The minors Contract at school has been terminated and is currently not attending school. I am unable to find a school at this time since half the year is gone. I am currently filing a maintenance application. A: We presume that there is no maintenance order in place. If that is the case, approaching the maintenance court is the correct thing to do. It sounds unreasonable for the father to only pay half the maintenance. The same applies to him stopping paying school fees. The court would listen to both sides and decide what is a fair amount for the father to pay despite him deciding not to work. If there is a court order in place, the court should enforce it and either attach his property and sell it, or proceed criminally. Q: greetings…my question is on Sole guardianship. The father has relocated and has never made contact with the minor. Its 9 years now. I want to travel with my child but hoe affairs won’t allow it. Please assist A: You have a very strong case for an order that you be given sole guardianship over your child. After the court granted you that order, you can travel without worrying about consent. Q: Which process should I follow to gain full child custody? A: You would have to approach the Court. If there is a court order in place, then you need to apply to have it varied granting you sole custody. If not, you can approach the court to grant you sole custody. The court would look at what is best for the child. Q: What happens when a father only saw a child on the day of the paternity test and never again when applying for access to the child I’m denied and immediately the child is moved to the Eastern Cape from Gauteng without my knowledge. Yet the court ordered me to carry on paying rent for a 3-year-old as the mother told the court that the child must also pay rent. Right now I’m paying for rent yet the child is not even staying there and I’m paying for creche in Gauteng but the child is in EC. When I lodged for reduction as the child no longer stays here and no longer going creche the court keeps on postponing as the mother doesn’t come to court anymore and no warrant of arrest is issued just postponed that all since May 2020. A: You followed the correct procedure by approaching the maintenance court. We advise you to keep putting pressure on the maintenance court to finalise the matter. Q: In terms of child custody can a parent apply at the Children’s court to have sole custody if the other parent (primary caregiver) contributes less towards the child’s financial maintenance? A: You can apply, but the order would be based on what is best for the child. However, a lower contribution by the primary caregiver does not sound like a sound reason. Q: How does a parent ( primary caregiver) deal with the other parent negatively influencing the child or having the child saying statements that are harsh and recording the child.   A: We suggest that you see a parenting counsellor or a social worker to assist both parents in resolving those issues. If that does not help, then approaching the court may be the best option. Q: Just clarify related to this topic what are my options if I am indeed about to relocate but still in the process of the divorce pleadings have not been closed and there is no settlement agreement but have primary residence according to Rule 43 order. A: The divorce and the relocation are two separate issues. You would have to return to South Africa on the trial date of the divorce. Q: Should there be a dispute to relocation by either parent what is the required route to be followed by either of the parties?If the route is for the high court to be followed what are the parameters pertaining to the disputing party being informed notice periods required and mandatory rules for addressing high court? (can this be done as the individual alone or is an attorney/advocate mandatory? As the disputing party are there any recommendations if thorough understanding and recommendations or research into the case related circumstances are researched in terms of legal precedence/ cases relevant for the defence of the dispute to be undertaken onerously? A: Court rules need to be followed and all parties need to be properly informed about court dates etc. Q: Shared Custody. Children ages 12 and 17. Want to stay permanently with me. Daughter 18 already staying with me. A: If the children want to stay with you and the other parent does not want that, then it is best to see a mediator or social worker to assist in resolving the issue. If that cannot be done, then the court would need to get involved. Q: What can a father do to help his 16-year-old son to escape the emotional abuse of the child’s mother? The father is financially exhausted as the mother has NO regard for a High Court order that was obtained by the father when the child was 2 years old. Now the child wishes to stay with his father. A: The father needs to enforce the High Court Order. Otherwise, depending on the facts, he needs to approach the court for a variation of the order. Q: What are my rights as a father with regards to the child? Under what conditions is the mother allowed to “withhold” the child from interacting with the father? Does my financial instability give more rights to the mother enough to not allow a relationship between myself and the child? What is the best way to go about legally sharing (visitation responsibility etc) rights? A: This issue was dealt with at the start of the webinar. We would, however, like to advise you to try to see a mediator with the mother. If that is not possible, you should approach the Children’s Court or the High Court.    

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